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in the defense sector and the head of a defense contractor who will feel that pain joins us next along with former vermont governor howard dean who argues maybe going over the fiscal cliff will be the best thing for the nation. >>> later, we have the former chairman of the council of economic advisers under president bush. he's going to join us as well as laura tyson, the former head of the cea under president clinton. we're going to get their take on the cliff and today's jobs number. >>> also, tough week for apple shares. is now the time to load up? stick around for the apple trade in the back half of this hour. stay tuned. [ male announcer ] when this hotel added aflac to provide a better benefits package... oahhh! [ male announcer ] it made a big splash with the employees. [ duck yelling ] [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. ♪ ha ha! >>> one of my next guests thinks that going over the fiscal cliff would be a good thing for wall street. the other says defense cuts would pose an unacceptable risk to the economy, national se
defense cuts. in fact, both sides have gone out of their way to say they shouldn't happen. but if there's no deal, they may happen anyway. in today's "deep dive" how the sequester could impact our military, our economy, and our safety. the budget control act calls for about a trillion dollars in automatic cuts to begin in january if laes no deal. half would come from domestic spending. we'll dig deeper into that. today spes cifically about the half that comes from security and defense. the cuts on that side amount to $492 billion over the next ten years but they aren't across the board. the president has promised to exempt military personnel and veterans affairs. let me start this here. here is the $492. that, by the way, this $492 billion is on top of another $450 billion cuts the d.o.d. was planning to make to cut waste and trim unnecessary programs. it's prompted mrenting of hand wringing on both sides. >> we can't afford another $500 billion in cuts in our defense budget on top of the $500 billion in cuts that the president is already making. >> the sequester destroys the united sta
take up two major same-sex marriage cases. the first is the defense of marriage act. the 1996 law denies federal benefits to legally married same-sex couples. the second is california's proposition 8 that makes same-sex marriage illegal in the state. a decision on these cases is expected next year. >>> in sports news, it's heisman time. the coveted trophy will be presented tonight in new york to the nation's best college football player. one of the finalists, texas a&m quarterback, johnny manziel, is a freshman. no first-year player has ever won the award. the other finalists are kansas state quarterback collin klein and notre dame linebacker manti te'o. i'll see you back here at the top of the hour. "your bottom line" starts right now. >> thanks, randi. see you at top of the hour. going over the fiscal cliff doesn't mean your taxes go up, it means programs and services that touch virtually every aspect of american life are downsized. good morning, everyone. i'm kristine romans. america can't afford itself. a long-term debt and deficit problems, and these are the folks who have to
light to spend valuable defense funds on things like efforts to make biofuels. the military is focused on alternative energy sources faced constant debate in congress this year and i think rightly some republican senator james inhofe is a member of the armed services committee. senator, welcome back to the show. when i go through these stats it is really staggering. you look at the air force which paid $59 a gallon for 11,000 gallons of alternative fuel. the navy spent $12 million on biofuels at a rate of $26 a gallon. at a time we're talking about raising taxes and the fiscal cliff and what financial problems we're in this country, i read these numbers i want to tear my heart out. how do you feel? >> melissa, it is worse than that. in '09 he had the navy pay $424 a gallon for 20,000 gallons. that is fuel on the market you could buy for $3 a gallon. $424 a gallon. in mind, this president has had a war on our defense system. he disarmed america. he has done away with our brigade combat teams, our ships, our f-22s, c-17s, future combat systems. he uses the excuse. no, i have not reduced
case took a major hit showing george zimmerman's badly beaten case which indicates his claim of self-defense may not be so farfetched after all. joey jackson on the left. former prosecutor lis wiehl on the right. that picture looks self-defensish to me. it's horrible that he this didn't turn it over. the only thing can i say in the prosecution's defense is maybe they did not have the color photo. >> is this the old days when it took you six months to develop the film. >> i know. the other thing though everybody is calling it a new photo. it's not a new photo. it's the same photo. it's just what they had first in color. and as we know in color is going to be much greater. >> two issues. number one, doesn't it make the self-defense argue. resonate? >> yes. of course it does. >> number two, doesn't it look as if the prosecution attempted to withhold critical exculpatory evidence? >> yes it does. >> joey? >> as for the picture, i think the prosecutor can make the following argument. so what? okay. so what as to what. of course he has bruising. of course his nose looks like it's broken. of course
defense foundation. hi, mark. >> alisyn, good to be on with you. alisyn: nice to have you. what is your theory first why the president decided to wade into this michigan battle, by the way two years ago this was happening in wisconsin, the president said that is wisconsin issue, meaning let the state decide? >> well in barack obama's autobiography he said i owe these unions. when they call i return their phone calls. that paid off well for him politically. the numbers you mentioned leading up to this question are just the tip of the iceberg what organized labor spends in politics. we estimate and sources verify this, they're spending up to a billion dollars in politics. a president benefited in 2008 and 2012 from literally hundreds of millions of dollars that union officials spend that come out of the general treasury, this is not hard dollars which are voluntary, the pac money. this is get out to vote drives, registration to vote drives. all the reasons touted why barack obama won, that is what he is defending here. the union's ability to compel workers to pay fees as condition of empl
at will. we don't have a missile defense system that is reliable that can stop this. jon: you really think that would be in the cards, that they would make that kind of threat? >> they would make the threat, i don't think they'd actually try to carry it out. at this point they have an unstable regime, a lot of moving parts at the top of the north korean system, you don't know if they have the policy coherence to do the rational things and that's really the big concern with north korea. jon: what does china get out of continuing to support them? >> they get to bee devil us. every time there is a problem with north korea we go to beijing and ask them for help and they extract concessions from us. for a decade we have placed more importance on integrating china into the international system than stopping north korea. we always go to bay sing to look for help. we have spent the only currency that matters now and that is time. jon: it's been a wrong-headed approach would be your argument, or so it sounds. >> yeah, it hasn't worked, right now i think we have to start looking to ourselves for our
the future of gay marriage throughout the entire united states. at issue is the federal government defense of marriage act that defines marriage as only the union between a man and woman and california's proposition 8 which banned gay marriage was overturned by an appeals court. cnn's crime and justice correspondent joe johns has been following both cases for us. joe, explain the impact of today's decision. >> well, it is big impact. as you know, this is one of those cases that people talk about over the water cooler. let's start with proposition 8. very simple, wolf, it is the california ballot initiative passed in 2008 by the people of the state of california that established marriage as between a man and a woman. it overturned a court case that said same sex couples have the right to marry. windsor is the other case you were talking about, it is an attack on defense of marriage act which was passed in 1996 by the congress, signed by the president. it's called windsor against the united states. it is about a woman named edith windsor who had a long time relationship with her partner, and
-old brent, a defensive lineman into the irving city jail on one count of intoxicating manslaughter. >> our officers on scene felt as if alcohol was a contributing factor in the accident, so mr. price brent was asked to perform some field sobriety tests. after he performed those tests along with our officers' observations and the conversations they had with him, he was placed under arrest for driving while intoxicated. >> reporter: the dallas cowboys learned of the death of one teammate and the arrest of another before they boarded a flight to cincinnati where they'll play the bengals on sunday. team owner jerry jones issue add statement that read, we are deeply saddened by the news of this accident and the passing of jerry brown. at this time our hearts and prayers and deepest sympathies are with the members of jerry's family and all of those who knew him and loved him. one week ago, the nfl was shaken by the death of kansas city linebacker jovan belcher who shot and killed his girlfriend and then traveled to the facility and killed himself in front of the head coach. >> what he did, we di
on the diagnosis -- the docket on the defense of marriage act and a portion only recognizes marriage as between a man and a woman and has been challenged dozens of times. they agreed to take up a case dealing with defense of marriage act. two different cases but both going to the same issues. they are different on technical and legal points but the bottom line is the same and the court has told us it will hear two gay marriage cases and we expect the earliest to get on the calendar is march of 2013 so that means we will have a decision like we did with the president's health care law in late june next year. >>shepard: has the supreme court or members given any indication of where they are these days on these matters? >>shannon: when they grant the cases all we know there were four votes behind closed doors from the nine justices and it takes four votes to get the cases on the docket so there are that many who are interested. we thought they might take either of the defense of marriage act or proposition 8 but because they involve differences in the legal issues involved, it looks like they want
children. she was only 43. a republican on the short list of secretary of defense. nebraska senator chuck hagel considered to replace panet a. he opposed with the iraq surge and traveled with then candidate obama on a trip. he called for a slow and painful death for soldiers and american familis and psy still performed for the president. ♪ ♪ >> gretchen: he gained fame for the christmas in washington special. many are outraged like the mothers of the navy seals. >> performing for the president is disgusting. how do we choose those role models. he should be on a terrorist watch list. it is disgusting to me. >> gretchen: that mother's son mark allenley lee was the first navy seal killed in iraq. it is interesting when you find out things about people when they are famous. that dance craze took over the world. >> steve: i am surprised mr. psy didn't say let me explain what i was talking about. >> gretchen: he did apologize. >> steve: but nonetheless they didn't pull the plug. >> brian: kill their daughters and kill them slowlyy and smash the model of the american tank and called for our
a breakthrough. joining me is former defense secretary william cohen, thanks so much for joining us. >> good to be this you. >> russia sounded a few different signals this week. putin in turkey, making some suggestions perhaps they would not be sticking with assad as strongly as they have been in the past. then this is the first time that foreign minister met with hillary clinton on assad, met with the u.n. mediator and we're being cautioned this is no break through but there will be follow-up meeting. seems some u.s. officials russia is hedging its bets or beginning to see a future without assad. >> i think that's the case. we've talked about this before, but there is a russian card to be played, to be played by russia itself. they have influence with president assad, they have interests in syria, and i think that they can see the handwriting on the wall that assad is eventually going to go, whether it's in the near term, long term, eventually he's going. you can see the shift in momentum as far as the rebels now starting to gain much greater military success than they have in the past. the
discriminate against. i can't treat you differently because you're a man versus a woman. well, this defense of marriage act is exactly what the defense of marriage act does. it denies same-sex marriage couples the rights for tax benefits, federal health benefits and the like. so if you're married to a man, you dent get the same right ifs you're a woman married to a man. that is gender discrimination, in my view, not sexual preference. >> and you've argued in front of the supreme court. >> i have. >> you said in 1990? >> 1990. >> nerve-racking? >> very nerve-racking. these issues are very important. the justices are very prepared. they're very intelligent. and there's a lot at stake. so this is going to be a very interesting argument. now we can actually listen to them online. >> having argued in front of the supreme court, how do you think they're going to rule? >> well, i think we have a fairly conservative court. but it's kind of divided 50/50. it's going to be a very close call. however, looking at the case precedent in the past and looking at what i think they have to do with this law,
the president, secretary of defense panetta, and others focusing on what happens if assad uses the weapons. >> see, these lines become sort of pink lines. you know, they're not drawn with, you know, a fine pencil. and they move around a little. >> reporter: military options for striking syria spell out the case for why an attack might be called for. u.s. officials say there are multiple reports, more than just satellite imagery, confirming the aerial bombs. the regime is getting more desperate in recent days as fighting has raged around damascus leading to worries al asad could order a deadly strike that could kill thousands. and unlike iraq before the u.s. war, syria's chemical weapons program is openly acknowledged by that government. >> these weapons are meant to be used only and strictly in the event of external aggression against the syrian republic. >> reporter: but the president will also be warned of the risks. civilians could be killed by a deadly release of gas if the sarin isn't all destroyed. syrian air defenses could bring down u.s. pilots if fighter jets are used. the regime
and 40 states, and they will resolve, i suspect the defense of marriage act case narrowly, only one section is actually an issue, section 3, in california they'll make a decision that might uphold the appellate court and keep it limited to california and i believe the court doesn't want to be, you know, overturning arrangements, throughout the country, something so delicate as this. they learned the lesson that that is not the right role for the supreme court. >> chris: let's talk about that. a lot of people make the comparison, to 1973. roe vs. wade. because, what is so interesting is that, public attitudes on same sex marriage changed dramatically. let's put up the map. 37 states, either by law or in their excuses, now ban same sex marriages, but, they are legal in 9 states, as well as the nation's capitol, washington, d.c. and a new poll, 40% approve same sex marriage and 30% support legal unions and 24% say same sex couples should not be allowed to enter into any such union and now we have president, kirsten, who came out in favor of same sex marriage and wants to leave it as a
problem. you know, clinton took that approach in 1993. he cut defense way back. i think the president could do a little bit more to attract some people over to his side if he did that. but i'm just struck by the fact that we've got this completely outside game. >> right. >> there's not a lot going on on the inside in terms of real negotiation. but we'll get there. >> and steve, this is a point we brought up last hour. you know, everybody is debating over raising top rates for people making $250,000 or more. you look -- tom's talking about $88 trillion. you look at the small percentage, these tax increases as part of the bigger problem, and you realize that we're not even having a serious discussion right now. we're obsessed on something that's not going to save us. >> well, that's true. first, with respect to what david said, i think partly why they're playing an outside game is because they've been criticized in the past of playing too much of an inside game. the president's criticized himself for not taking his message outside, telling his story. secondly, i do think the president h
the defense of marriage act is constitutional, they are also going to decide whether proposition 8 in california, that case, whether the ban on same sex marriage there is unconstitutional. and that could affect all 50 states. so there is at least the potential that by the end of june, all 50 states will be ordered to have same sex marriage. there is a long way between here and there, but that is now a possibility. >> what is so interesting about this, this is not just about the marriage issue, so much as it is an equal protection issue because so many people have been denied benefits under federal law. >> that's the defense of marriage act case. what the defense of marriage act case, what the law says, passed in 1996, signed into law by president clinton, that law says that the federal government will not recognize same sex marriages, even in the states where it's legal. so if you are a married couple, same sex couple in massachusetts, you can't file a joint tax return, can't inherit tax free the way heterosexual married couples can. the obama administration says, agrees that law i
weapons are the red line on syria. i also want to play something that defense secretary leon panetta had to say in reaction to the reports about the preparation of chemical weapons. let play that and talk about what diplomatic options are left. >> the president of the united states made very clear that there will be consequences. there will be conconsequences if the assad regime makes a terrible mistake by using these chemical weapons on their own people. i'm not going to speculate or comment on what those potential consequences would be. >> well, the obvious question is, ambassador, what could those potential consequences be? what are our options that remain? >> well, first that is a direct warning by the united states government what you just heard, to the syrian government. so that is now on record. obviously it depends how this unfolds. there's no inev viability that e syrian government will choose to use chemical wellens, if they do, there will be pressure on the united states, turkey, collection of coalition of countries intervene to stop the use of chemical weapons. if, chris, in
is really hitting the republicans hard from the outside, trying to crumble their defenses amid signs that those defenses from within are weakening. >> mike, the president and speaker boehner apparently did have a telephone conversation last night. are we inching closer to a deal or is that too much of a grown-up christmas wish? >> it's really impossible to say. i think most people in this town would say if it were up to john boehner, he would cut the deal. there are a lot of indications of softening of positions from within republican ranks. i myself am not entirely convinced. i thin there are going to be a lot of hard core bitter enders, if you like, who are not going to vote for a tax increase under any circumstances within the house gop conference, and it could be a very ugly fight within the gop. so the fact that neither side is telling us anything, jay carney today 23r from the podium would not characterize it other than to confirm it took place. kind of ironic, people were taking that as a positive sign. >> mike viqueira delivering depressing news with a smile on his face. than
to take up the explosive issue of same-sex marriage, agreeing to hear challenges to the federal defense of marriage act and california's proposition 8. nbc's pete williams joins us now from washington with all the latest details. good evening, pete. >> reporter: good evening, larry. the vilma case is the easier one. federal law signed into law by president clinton in 1996. it says if a person is legally married in a state, the federal government can't recognize those marriages. that's where you talked about federal benefits heterosexual couples get and same sex couples do not. the prop 8 thing is bigger. while potentially it's confined to the state of california only, the question it out there having given the right to gay marriage could the state then take it away through proposition 8 passed by a majority of the vote nurse 2008. having taken that case, the court could get to the bedrock issue. can any state refuse to let same sex couples get married under the federal constitution. it could potentially be narrow or very far. >> pete, as i understand it, let me ask you. this one of thes
the #theedshow. still to come, the supreme court will hear cases on california's prop 8 and the defensive marriage act. jonathan turley at george washington university will weigh in on the civil rights battle. we're coming right back. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. >>> for almost 20 years, the violence against women act has received broad bipartisan support. even the most partisan right wingers didn't want to stand in the way of providing resources to combat domestic violence. that's in the past. the law is up for reauthorization and republicans are fighting it. vice president joe biden and house majority leader eric cantor are now in talks, trying to iron out differences and get the legislation passed before the end of the year. biden is the la
the issue of same-sex marriage with the prop eight ban in your state as well as the defense of marriage act on the federal level. do you think the days of same-sex marriage being not recognized, unrecognized as a civil right, are coming to an end? >> i think the supreme court will make the decision. prior to this election, every vote has only been it's only made it through by a legislator, not the vote of the people. in california, the people voted it down. we'll see from the supreme court. >> how do you see it? >> marriage equality is part of america's future. we saw that in state after state in the last election. the supreme court will take up the issue, and i hope that they understand as most of us do that this is part of our future. marriage equality and the equal treatment of people who have made this decision is part of what america is all about. >> final point, senator durbin. susan rice. will she be the president's secretary of state nominee and could she get confirmed in the senate at this point? >> i can't say that because the president has not told me what his decision will be. t
self defense. it's common sense to see where that's going to line up. >> the argument that was thrown at me, and hands up, i come from a country with strict gun control. very few gun owners there, we don't have a second amendment. we don't have a right to bear arms. and it's not my country in that sense, therefore i have absolute respect for the constitution. what i find difficult is the way the pro-gun lobby, and i use the phrase quite deliberately. a certain type of pro-gun lobbyist twists this debate in a very unhealthy way. they always say it's never the gun, it's always the person, with a clear indication that the people are evil and they perpetrate evil with these stories. three stories, december 5th, a 4-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed his younger brother in minneapolis with his father's handgun. december 6th, a 7-year-old finds his grandfather's gun and shoots his sister. december 9th, a boy is shot when a gun goes off in a parking lot. these aren't evil people. these are kids. and they just happened to stumble across firearms. >> and in fairness, there are legitimat
in chicago, defense attorneys call the city "the false confession capital of the united states." chicago has twice as many documented false confession cases as any city in the country. one reason may be the way police go about questioning suspects, and "60 minutes" has learned the chicago police department is now the subject of a justice department investigation into its interrogation practices. two cases we examined involve several teenage boys who were arrested and, they say, forced or tricked into confessing to violent crimes they never committed. each spent nearly half their lives in prison. they are free now, and told us their story together for the first time. >> terrill swift: we all of us got one thing in common-- we did an extensive amount of time in jail for something we didn't do. and that's the bottom line. >> pitts: they each were sentenced to terms that ranged from 15 years to life. terrill swift, michael saunders, vincent thames, and harold richardson were convicted in one rape and murder; james harden, robert taylor and jonathan barr, in a different one. all were found guilty
of plotting to destroy his country. bill: . the government moving defense missiles to turkey. it will be defensive posture only. the western alliance is set to okay those weapons. the patriot missiles not expected to arrive in turkey until next month. martha: let's go to egypt which is also very volatile at the moment. the presidential palace is looking like an armed palace. they stationed tanks after a night of deadly protests. the estimate is five people lost their lives. it's the violence in the two weeks we watched the protests that led over a mob made it way over to the presidential balance has. we saw the live scenes with steve harrigan. since mohamed morsi, the president there assumed near absolute powers through a constitutional move. he and the muslim brotherhood have been doing things that have a lot of people concerned in terms of ramming through a very controversial new constitution that the people have been very unhappy about. what's going on there. come back home now for a moment and take a look at the latest numbers we have got on the u.s. economy. the weekly u
expected. the north american air defense command confirms that the north ko koreans succeeded in launching an object into outer space but says it will take a day to determine whether it achieves successful earth orbit.bit. >> david martin thank you for that information. now we get back to the reason k to the we're here in washington. the white house and republicans are offering new proposals to avoid the fiscal cliff but there is still no deal. right? sounds like deja vu. we have 20 days left to avoid the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. >> reporter: good morning. there's never been more activity than we've seen in the last 24 hours but activity does not necessarily mean the country's averti any closer to averting the fiscal cliff. president obama telephoned house speaker john boehner tuesday afternoon.rnoo sources describe the exchange as tense. at issue a new republican budget budg proposal, one that came after mr. obama sent an offer to mr. boehner tuesday. before boehner took to the house floor to criticize the president. >> the longer the white hou
the context of what turkey asked nato for, the patriot missile defense system, you have nato member countries who are now essentially saying through their partly i wants, yes, we are going to help you militarily defend yourself. the big question, however, is are other countries bringing up the possible threat of chemical weapons coming from syria as a way of laying the ground work for another kind of not intervention, but a assistance to rebel groups. you have a lot of strategic talk that's being publicly sort of expressed out there that could be laying the ground work for strategic help for rebel groups. also for russia and iran and china and other countries that support the assad regime to perhaps distance themselves a little bit from the syrian president. we have all those reasons that are coming -- that are like the pieces of the puzzle. you make it out. is the threat of chemical weapons being used against the syrians an imminent threat? you have a lot of opinions out there that that's not the case right now. >> good balanced approach. we like that. a lot of people just kind of beating th
defense secretary leon panetta says the most recent intelligence raises, his words, serious concerns. >> the whole world is watching. the whole world is watching very closely and the president of the united states has made very clear that there will be consequences, there will be consequences if the assad regime makes a terrible mistake by using these chemical weapons on their own people. >> earlier today, leon panetta. we'll have a report from the pentagon on syria in a moment. >>> first, shock waves in washington. a powerful republican senator suddenly calling it quits. south carolina senator jim demint will step down december 31st to lead the heritage foundation. it's a powerful conservative think tank in washington. demint says he can be more effective outside the senate. >> a lot of my role in the senate has been stopping bad things and saying no to bad things. but we need to do more than that and tell americans what we're for. one of the mistakes i think the republican party made the last two years is trying to make obama the issue without sharing with america bold reform ideas
are the biggest part of our spending problem. defense has to be on the table. everything has to be on table. you have to begin this any dpoesh yags by agrees there are knoll going to be any preconditions. even's going to be on the table. you have to also agree nothing will be decided until everything is decided. you also have to agree everything will be done in confidence and bhoofrd behind closed doors. it's extraordinarily difficult when you try to do it. it looks like the campaign is continuing. that's where we are today. we did social security totally plievt behind closed doors. >> so you think the way they're doing it is just wrong. >> i don't think they'll ever get this this way. they're jousting each other. each side is repeating its campaign talking points. you need to have a serious confidenti confidential, substantial negotiation by top levels of both parties. >> you are a political animal. looking at this, this situation, what is your gut? who's going to win? >> i don't know. who we ought to be talking about is not who's going to win but how can the country win? look. in the short ter
is traveling with the secretary of defense. and the defense department acknowledged the missile launch, the statement goes on to say north american aerospace command officials tracked the launch at 7:49 p.m. eastern time. initial indications are the first stage fell to the yellow sea. the second stage was assessed to fall in to the philippines sea. initial indications are that the missile deployed an object that appeared to achieve orbit. again, appeared to achieve orbit. at no time was the missile or the debris 'threat to north america. i want to go to my colleague barbara starr, our pentagon correspondent who is live on the phone. clearly this has to set off the alarm bells within the pentagon staff. >> reporter: oh, i think there is no way around it. this is huge news. that one little sentence you just read, initial indications are the missile deployed an object that appeared to achieve orbit, the north koreans had been trying for years to put a satellite in to space by all indications what they have achieved now with this orbit is doing something very close to that, if not that its
, the defense department saying kim jong un can spend his money launching missiles or feed his people but he can't have both. the missile is capable of taking a nuclear bomb to a target in the region. the syrian military has been fighting scud missiles at rebily fighters. while there's no evidence that they have been loaded with chemical weapons, at many as saturday scud missiles have been fired over several days. welcome back mark ginsburg. is assad pushing the pan being button? >> this 1945. he's in the bunker, throwing everything he can at the point. it's a desperate move on his part because the rebels are closing in. it was those very scud missiles that saddam hussein lobbed at israel and there was great fear that those scud missiles are capable -- i said capable -- of having weapons of mass destruction on their war head. >> we don't really know. we're assuming know but it's possible these could be housing chemical weapons? >> there had already been reports, larry, earlier this week. that's why secretary of defense panetta and the president of the united states warned assad publicly about us
that will act if there is action. defense secretary leon panetta issued a warning to syria today saying the united states will not stand by and watch the country cross a quote unquote red line. >> whole world is watching very closely. and the president of the united states has made very clear that there will be consequences. there will be consequences. if the assad regime makes a terrible mistake by using these chemical weapons. >> syria denies it is mobilizing chemical weapons in a civil war in which 40,000 people have lost theirs in 21 months. instead, they say they're trying to create fear and set for an attack. hillary clinton met with russia's foreign minister twice today in dublin. these are important meetings because russia is a syrian alley. but is it too late? national security contributor, fran townsend, is a member of the cia. cedrick layton member of the joipt staff. what are those consequences? is the u.s. going to passing the point of no return here? >> well, it is, look, the most recent information suggests they're preparing to be able to launch these warheads containing
warhead on a long-range missile and send it to the united states. we really have no defenses for that. once it is in the air it is very hard for us to shoot it down. which means we don't have that much time to stop the north korean missile program. this is unstable regime after all. this is not like the soviet union, a status quo power. this is country in real distress. melissa: how much time do you think we have and what is the iranian connection? >> we're about 15 years or so the north koreans and iranians have a joint missile program where the north koreans develop the technology and iranians pay for it. shahab 5 and 6 of iran is the north korea's type dong missile. clearly the north koreans have sold this before. they will definitely try to sell this to the iranians. it is up to us to stop it which means we might have to interdict shipping. >> not a leap to say they were there in attendance, they were cheering them on, that they would be perfect customers? >> the iranians have been on site for all five long-range missile test. they have been on sight in north korea for the two nuc
a little over three weeks. those increases coupled with spending cuts in vital programs including defense, health care and housing assistance are being called the fiscal cliff. the only way to i void it is for president obama and congress to make a deal, cutting spending and raising revenue. adding to the sense of urgency. news that 350,000 people simply gave up looking for work in the month of november. and while that drove the unemployment rate down to 7.7%, the fiscal cuts and tax hikes are expected to dramatically slow job creation and increase unemployment possibly plunging the economy back into a recession. let's go to dana joining us from capitol hill. the latest negotiations don't seem to be going anywhere. >> they sure don't. the house speaker ended the week by calling it a wasted week. he only had one phone call with the president of the united states and he said it was just, "more of the same." now counter offer to what the republicans put out during the week which was $800 billion in new tax revenue. so there's certainly a lot of frustration. particularly right now on the side
to those previous rates and also, defense gets cuts. forget about, we're not talking see questions station much, b -- sequestration? >> did you see what's happening in california, maybe that should be a barometer. tax increases in the state of california and raise revenue and look at the revenues have not gone up. >> a lot of republicans see california and americans, many democrats see california as a cautionary tale. what california has done and interesting and got then them ooh into a pickle. they have the battle initiatives where voters can go in themselves and vote for what they want and these all cost money. >> it all costs money. >> yeah, this is a mistake of california, right? since the late 70's, when these ballot provisions started going through, yes, you had a number of them. i was out there when was unfoldi unfolding, a number passed and californias voted to increase their own sales tax to pay for things, finally. >> yes, by the way, they also then voted to tax the highest wage earners more.and what ended up happening in some cases was that a significant number of the richest pe
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